Readers Challenge, Bronte Responds

I’ve been getting some interesting email in response to the recent articles on TM and “the gods.” Some bring up some interesting objections that I’d like to respond to here.

· “The idea of vampire-like psychic forces feeding on humans seems, to say the least, a bit far-fetched.”

It’s only far-fetched if you believe two things: that humans are the end of the food chain and that all there is of reality is perceivable by the human senses.

Why would humans be the end of the food chain? Why would we assume the buck stops here?

Isn’t it somewhat arrogant to assume that something can’t exist just because our eyes can’t see it? That’s a little like the ostrich believing an approaching enemy has ceased to exist because when her head is stuck in the sand, the predator is invisible.

The human eye perceives only a small frequency range of the known electro-magnetic spectrum. We have no first-hand perception of anything that may exist in the ranges of infrared, x-ray, gamma ray, ultraviolet, or bands of energy beyond those that we aren’t even aware of. It’s ethnocentric to think life exists only within the range of visible light. That’s rather like saying you can’t believe life could exist on the trillions of other planets, that life is unique to Earth (just because you this is where you happen to live).

But back to the food-chain. The scriptures of every religion say, virtually or literally, that God/ the gods need humans for food. Every religion I’ve researched historically required blood sacrifice, including human sacrifice. Jehovah, in Leviticus, speaks of “the aroma of the sacrifice” being pleasing to God. I suggest that “aroma” is the suffering of the victim. While Jehovah did not require human sacrifice on a physical alter, he ordered the Jews to slay tens of thousands of men, women and children (plus all the people’s livestock) in bloody forrays, that included, at the high point, a second circumcision of the Jewish people. Spilled blood nourishes “the divine.”

The energy in blood is equated with the life force in Chinese medicine: the flow of the Chi is the flow of the blood. Blood sacrifice is required by the gods of every religion because spilling blood is releasing the Chi, the life energy, which they then can assimilate.

Soma is another form (other than blood) that the life force takes, and this, too, is courted by the gods. Maharishi explained Soma as the “ambrosia” or “nectar of the gods” generated in the body during meditation. According to Indian scriptures, it is also engendered through other forms of worship. The gods consume the sacrifice and the gods consume worship as well. Both transfer life energy from the physical dimension to entities dwelling in frequencies beyond the range of visible light.

The only way to call this “far-fetched” is to dismiss every scripture of every culture that’s ever been written as nonsense. You’d also have to trivialize all the evidence of possession and mental illness that exists, and all evidence of psychic phenomena. I realize some people do that, but to me it’s the ostrich again, afraid of looking at what’s going on around us and dealing with it.

· “TM works and you know it, or you wouldn’t have done it all those years. I think you’re just bitter.”

If it works, then why am I bitter? What would I have to be bitter about?

I don’t deny I felt benefits from TM in the beginning. It’s what kept me hanging on so many years. But in time I came to see that the initial pure consciousness TM gave me tastes of was being usurped by something else that was eating up my soul. I was losing “me.”

I had a healthy sense of personal self and recognized the subsuming of it as something negative, so I got out. Some of my dearest friends still see losing “the ego” as spiritual progress, and are tightly caught in the jaws of the invisible beast. There is little left of the people they used to be. They’ve been largely “assimilated.” I hope to help them see this someday and, in seeing, make a willful choice that cuts their link with the devic marauders and reclaims their lost personhood. An intentional rescinding of permission will free them. These friends are one big reason I do this writing.

· “I also quit TM and agree with most of what you write, but I never felt drained from meditation.”

That’s not surprising. How much you notice the siphoning depends largely on how much energy or life force you had to begin with. A farmer milking a cow can’t deplete it too badly, or it won’t provide milk. If you trim a plant down to the nubbins, it may not grow again. Likewise, “the gods” don’t take so much life force or Soma away that it is grossly noticeable in most cases. But the milking is real – it’s even discussed in the scriptures.

People who meditate many hours a day over a period of years (advanced meditators) are the ones most likely to notice negative changes in their lives. If they weren’t very strong to begin with, the life force depletion shows up over time as physical ailments and other maladies. I know one woman who used to be slightly eccentric when we were meditators together 20-plus years ago. As she continued to meditate, she became full-fledged psychotic. Now she spends her life in and out of mental hospitals. This is an example of how weaker people suffer most from the psychic predation.

People with strong, healthy egos are less likely to surrender their individuality to the gods, in spite of mantra-meditating for years. Such people are more or less “failures” in terms of Indianism standards: they don’t reach that “cosmic” state meditators yearn for, but neither do they transmogrify into zombies. Their strong sense of personal self protects them from being psychologically assimilated.

Assimilation, even more than energy siphoning, is the primary danger I perceive in mantra meditation and Eastern religion. It is also, I expect, the real purpose behind mantra meditation.

When a meditator relinquishes the authorship of action and ceases to identify with his thoughts and desires, he thinks he has reached oneness with the Infinite. In reality, he has abdicated his personhood and placed it on the “freebie shelf,” where outside entities are entitled to pick it up and work through it as their instrument. He now channels their will into this world, having given away personal rights to his body, heart and mind. This is called possession, in my book, and it accounts for the other-worldy charisma of “the enlightened.”

Bronte Baxter



  1. Rob said,

    May 14, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    Just a comment from Cambodia on the following paragraph:

    “When a meditator relinquishes the authorship of action and ceases to identify with his thoughts and desires, he thinks he has reached oneness with the Infinite. In reality, he has abdicated his personhood and placed it on the “freebie shelf,” where outside entities are entitled to pick it up and work through it as their instrument. He now channels their will into this world, having given away personal rights to his body, heart and mind. This is called possession, in my book, and it accounts for the other-worldy charisma of ‘the enlightened’. ”

    I’ve seen examples of spirit possession here in Cambodia: a young woman possessed by her dead sister. The reason, according to my wife was because “her spirit so small small” that it was easy for her to be possessed. Her spirit was “small” because she was orphaned at an early age and didn’t have a strong sense of “self.”

    I personally believe that there is a difference between the illusion of self that leads us to focus on the little “me” and all its selfish desires (one of them being ‘enlightenment’ – another world domination) and our real Self that is expansive and loving. But that real Self would never demand that another surrender their will to it. Question anyone who demands submission: “If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him.”

    For what it’s worth, I’m currently entertaining the theory that in the physical body, the selfish ‘ego’ me can be found in the ‘reptile brain’ and the other one in the frontal lobes. In between, in the ‘mammal’ brain is where most of us live most of the time. Google triune brain if you’re interested. It’s just a theory (not my own) and it’s off-topic, but I couldn’t help myself!

  2. Barbara said,

    May 14, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    So Bronte what do you think about Karma? Law of the Universe or something made up to keep us in check?

  3. brontebaxter said,

    May 15, 2008 at 12:48 am

    Rob, I don’t think the brain is off-topic. But the “reptile” portion of the human brain, at the brain stem, is the part responsible for intuition. I don’t think it can be equated with selfishness.

    Ego, you know, is blamed by spiritual teachers as the root of all evils, but actually it’s warped ego that causes selfishness, not ego in the pure sense of personal self. We’re taught to throw out the baby with the bathwater, to cease identifying with our desires, which actually come not from selfishness but from the deepest place inside of us. (We only express desires selfishly when we’re hurting too badly to see that other people hurt, too, and their needs matter, too.) Ego is not the enemy. Ego in the pure sense is the core of the personal self and a manifestation of the Infinite in this world.

    You say “any teaching that demands submission” should be rejected, but the popular spiritual tyrants don’t demand submission. They’re much subtler than that. They just tell you that those who “get it” cease identifying with the individual self (“small self” or ego) as the “illusion” it is. They tell you the wise identify with “Wholeness” or “Brahman,” at which point their body, mind and heart become pure channels of God’s will in this world.

    There is no demand for anything, only the clear teaching that “the wise” know this and live this. That, of course, places a powerful suggestion in the mind of the disciple to cease identifying with their “illusory” personal self. In time, they succeed in giving it up, totally willingly. The mantras, of course, assist in this: repeating of “I bow down” (to whatever god). That is not force, it’s willing surrender.

    That’s what makes these teachings so scary. Nothing is forced. It’s all voluntary. It’s not rape technically, it’s seduction. You willingly give yourself away. Rob, if possession were forced, it wouldn’t be so popular. It’s triggered by personal choice. We follow the Pied Piper right into the mountain.

    Barbara, in answer to your question about “the law of karma,” yes, I think it’s “made up to keep us in check.” That doesn’t mean actions don’t have equal and opposite reactions, because obviously they do. That’s a law of physics. But we have the freedom to change the results of our former actions by changing our current thinking, and that changes everything around us. It’s a lie to tell us that we are bound by karma until it wears out. We simply change it, we are not subject to it.

    If you’re painting a picture and you accidentally dab orange paint where you meant to put yellow, you’re not bound to sit there for 3 centuries while the orange mistake disintegrates before you can put down the color you intended and get on with your painting. (That’s analogous to believing in the law of karma.) Instead, you take action to fix what you did, coloring over the wrong color or otherwise getting rid of it, then you add the color you intended. In the same way, when we make any mistake, we can correct it. Our will is always the determiner.

    Our controllers want us to believe in the law of karma because then we will accept our limiting life situations instead of overcoming them and growing personally powerful in the process. Empowerment is what the gods fear most in humans and do everything in their power to talk us out of. Their “law of karma” also serves to make us accept the suffering of ourselves others. Instead of taking action to get rid of it, we accept pain as something we or others must have earned, or “a learning experience,” or something that’s necessary in order to develop the capacity for happiness (because you can’t understand joy if you haven’t been miserable first).

    Do you see how such philosophies further the agenda of our controllers? Through them we abdicate the drivers’ seat of our lives. And if no one’s in the driver’s seat, guess who slips behind the wheel and takes over for you? “The will of the gods.”


  4. Barbara said,

    May 15, 2008 at 6:16 am

    Thank you Bronte. I see that is another of those cherished beleifs I’ll have to reconsider.
    Did you have a look at the “Doctrine of Signatures” (about plants)?

  5. postcardsfromcambodia said,

    May 15, 2008 at 11:19 am

    Bronyte wrote: “the “reptile” portion of the human brain, at the brain stem, is the part responsible for intuition. I don’t think it can be equated with selfishness.” That’s very interesting! It’s the first time I’ve read that the brain stem is partly responsible for intuition. It really “clicks.” As for ego not being the enemy, that resonates as well. When I walked away from the “spiritual path” in about 1977 it was enormously liberating. I discovered that I was not an obstacle to my own growth or happiness, inner or outer. It was scary as well, because, having meditated myself nearly into oblivion, I was poorly prepared to live a “normal” life.

    I’m going to have to chew on this for awhile. Very interesting! – Rob

  6. Barbara said,

    May 15, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    Hope you don’t mind another question from me. I’ve been looking again at the post about sacrifice.
    I was brought up to eat meat although often I didn’t really like it. When I was living on my own I became vegetarian. I also took up yoga. I noticed that more people in the yoga classes were veggie than in the population as a whole. I took it that it was something to do with the yoga practice (which was a physical practice) Any comments on the subject of meat eating, veggies, vegans?

  7. Rob said,

    May 16, 2008 at 10:24 am

    This is in response to Bronte’s comment about the brain stem and intuition (I logged in as “postcardsfromcambodia” before. Alas, I’m at an internet cafe as usual and can only briefly comment off the top of my head about what occurred to me when I woke up this morning: Walt Whitman wrote: “I believe in you my soul, I shall not abase thee, nor shall the other I am be abased by thee.” Other versions put it slightly differently, but the message was the same. William Blake celebrated both the sensual and the spiritual. Blake followed Immanuel Swedenborg for a time, but later got angry because Swedenborg, also a visionary, was attempting to get others to bow down to his gods rather than their own. Blake believed in the divine imagination and did not ask his readers to follow his gods, only honour their own.

    What’s all this got to do with the brain stem or any other conduit of intution? Just that my “flash” this morning told me that “instinct” and “intuition” are NOT at odds with one another, nor are the self and the Self. And neither are self-preservation and self-transcendence. The brain stem may be where those two non-rational “meet and greet” one another. I have always understood the brain stem to be the seat of “instinct,” not intuition.

    An example from my conversations with my Cambodian wife, who lived with a Phnong (hill tribe, literally “savages”) for three years: Once when they were desperately in need of water she dreamt about a big body of water. They literally followed her dream for two days and found water. Instinct? Intuition?

  8. brontebaxter said,

    May 16, 2008 at 11:57 am

    Barbara, you’ve asked me my opinions on a couple of things, and that’s kind of difficult, because I can’t really elaborate much in these comments. I have no opinion on the plant signatures, but it’s interesting. Regarding meat eating: I figure we can’t blame the gods for feeding off us if we’re feeding off others ourselves.

    Rob: interesting story about your indigenous wife. I agree the brain stem is probably the seat of instinct and intuition both. Sometimes when I have an intuition (that later on proves out to be true), I get a sensation at the back of my head, as if my attention is centered there. Right in the brain stem. A teacher I studied with once also said that intuition and psychic ability are seated in that part of the brain. My observations, for whatever they’re worth.


  9. venusinpisces said,

    May 16, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    I wanted to comment about the practice of people eating meat. An internet acquaintance of mine once pointed out that in many native american cultures, there is an idea that when a predator animal finds its prey, they spirit of the animal to be eaten leaves the body before it dies, thus alleviating any physical suffering it woud have experienced. This would be entirely different than entities who feed off of not only “pure” emotions like love, but also the hyper adrenalized fear that can only come from the types of extreme experiences like those described by many ritual abuse survivors. I think it’s important to point this out because many people I know from various nihilistic subcultures have tried to justify fascist, survival of the fittest type of ideas by equating human beings with predatory animals, thereby laying a massive guilt trip on the cultural traditions of many different peoples. Could it be that this idea has been intentionally socially engineered into the population in order to get us to more easily accept social injustice, mass genocide, etc. as a necessary extension of the moral order? Just a thought…

  10. DancesWithBunnies said,

    May 20, 2008 at 5:32 am

    How could humans be so naive as to asssume they are the “top of the food chain”? The fact, and it is a verificable fact, is that we live on a slave planet should tell you something. There is not one, no NOT ONE person on the planet that is allowed to be totally self sufficient and live as he/she was meant to in total freedom. If yuou doubt me, try buying land, growing your own food and not paying taxes on your land..(land taxes only came in to push the sefl sufficient off their land.

    VIRTUALLY ALL systems are parasitic, ALL governments and ALL religions.
    These are vampiric belief systems that have held humankind in bondage since before the god-kings of egypt walked the earth…(now we only have the exiled god king of tibet to goggle at).

    Most hard wired belief systems appear to be parasititc in nature…which is why the government INSISTS that your child be in public school. It is not to teach them to read and add, but it is to brainwash them to the point where they will never be able to wake up to the horror that is being propagated around them.

    We live on a planet of slaves….working day in and day out to support a system that gives NOTHING in return.

  11. Barbara said,

    May 20, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    It is possible here in the UK to educate your children at home. I know some people who are doing this and I also know that people have got together to pool expertise in different subjects.
    There is a drawback to that in that if you at home teaching the children you are not out at work earning money so if it is a two parent family it is not so bad but for a single parent family it is harder unless the parent also had a way of earning money from home. Of course being at home the children aren’t so vulnerable to pressure from classmates to have expensive designer brands in shoes and clothes.

    In the Doctrine of Signatures plants are used as in
    Bach remedies and the plants are chosen because of characteristics that they have that help people to choose what plant will treat what condition.. I do believe that this works and not as a placebo. To me this means that there is some intelligent creative design and not just evolution, which leaves a lot to chance.

  12. DancesWithBunnies said,

    May 21, 2008 at 3:19 am

    Can you see that the whole idea of working to earn the right to live is part of the problem? That is bondage.

    The system has indoctrinated everybody to think we must earn the right to exist, and they use it against us whether by original sin through religion,or by the idiocy of “patriotism” and the “rule of law” amd the idea that we owes the system for letting us live.

    We are talking now about one of the BIG ideas right in front of our faces that few ever discuss..”civillization” is a type of human farm, and the pen is BELIEF.
    Its’ masters create the disease and then offer to give you the cure if you sell your soul, your power, and your life..

    Cheers, Erika

  13. Barbara said,

    May 21, 2008 at 7:03 am

    Hi Erika
    Yes I can see that. Sometimes I am tempted to go and live in the woods! It should be possible for everyone to live like that if they choose but most of our land is owned by a few rich people and peole live in towns to find work.
    You are making me think about it though.
    In Scotland where I live there are large areas of land given over to shooting estates. There used to be people but they were sent away during the Highland Clearances. There were also Lowland Clearances but I don’t know much about them. It would be nice if we all had our own land. There is also so much waste in our society, It sometimes seems that people work to spend money on things they don’t really need and end up giving away or throwing out.
    I have my own ideas about the exam system that we have. I think that exam passes and qualifications are vastly overrated and far too much pressure is put on children to “succeed”. Some of the young people I know gave up on school when they were about 14 and have managed just fine without it.

  14. Middle Child said,

    May 24, 2008 at 6:29 am

    I tried to like Meditation many years back, everyone said it was a good thing. I was never comfortable in any group, and certainly not with my eyes shut amongst strangers. I prefer the old idea of contemplation, remaining in full control and taking time to thinnk in the quietness. I get this if I paint or whatever. I find people do drasin my energy a lot and prefer the company of the few that I know well, such as my kis and one or two lifelong friends.

    Not paranoid but I feel better then.

  15. Nambo said,

    December 28, 2020 at 10:46 am

    Hello Bronte,

    Immense gratitude for your blog, your sharing all your experiences and findings.

    I do have a question about mantras. I admit it was shocking that the “om namah …” was as per you described – the daily 108 counts of chanting to each deity at home since childhood and its impact are a bit scary :)

    While I prefer to meditate without mantras, recently I started to work on my chakras to clear up blockages to the flows.
    In guided healing sessions and meditations for chakra energising, we focus on visualising and say on the beej mantras like “Lam”, “Vam” “Om” etc which are single words meant to activate each chakra.

    The sound and vibration create a flow that was previously blocked. Are these also of siphoning nature?

    • brontebaxter said,

      December 28, 2020 at 1:11 pm

      Nambo, I am not a Sanskrit scholar, so I can’t translate those words for you. I know the true meaning of “namah” only because my ex-guru translated it for his “initiators” (TM teachers) as part of his translation of the secret meaning of the words in the Sanskrit initiation ceremony we were required to perform for trusting new recruits to place them under the thumb of “the gods.” If you look up “namah” online, you’ll find dozens of websites translating this word in the most innocuous way. It’s part of the deception.

      Because I know they try to hide the meaning of “namah,” and so many other things, I don’t trust any mantras coming these Indian gurus. There are certainly other ways to activate the chakras than using Hindu mantras that you have no idea the true meaning of.

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